Cowards at Voices! (MAC)

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The leftist rag out of Madison called Voices deleted the majority of my posts yesterday. I of course don’t try to hide my bias as I clearly state in my about page “MY BIAS”

Marshall Keith a Libertarian who is fighting the abuse of power by modern day progressives of both parties. Marshall is a lifelong Broadcast Engineer.

Of course the Conservative talk show hosts attacked by MAC are open about their bias.  The stations bill them as that and that is what they are selling.  Here is just one of the Talk show hosts attacked.

Vicki calls herself a “converted conservative”, which she credits to her upbringing and a conversation with former Congressman Mark Neumann in her early days of reporting.  Her conservative ideology has been honed and refined over the years; now, Vicki passionately advocates a conservative point-of-view on social and political issues, as well as matters dealing with pop culture and everyday life.
Read more: http://www.newstalk1130.com/pages/mckenna_biopage.html#ixzz2DjfPiLVJ

As opposed to Voices page.

Madison Voices was launched in 2005 as the Allied-Dunns Marsh Community newsletter. We have since expanded our scope, reach, and coverage. We now publish a 16 page paper each month that is posted on our website (www.madisonvoices.com) and we will use this blog to share content and resources between the print editions. “We are each others most valuable resource”. Please join us and let your voice be heard. (Emphasis mine)

It is their paper and they are free to do as they choose, but the hypocrisy is glaring when it comes to the topic we were discussing. They posted three times in one week a leftist activist group (Media Action Center) attempt to shut down right wing talk radio. They did this on November 20, November 25 and November 26.  The actions of MAC are fighting against exactly the rights that this leftist rag are exercising and a right guaranteed by the “First Amendment” right to freedom of speech and the freedom of the press.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The thrust of Sue Wilson’s argument is the People aka the government owns the airwaves.  This argument is patently false.  The FCC is a regulatory body and even they don’t claim ownership.  Yes like almost all businesses in America broadcast radio is regulated.  The fact that it is a regulatory body is clearly stated on the FCC’s website.

The Federal Communications Commission regulates interstate and international communications by radio, television, wire, satellite and cable in all 50 states, the District of Columbia and U.S. territories. It was established by the Communications Act of 1934 and operates as an independent U.S. government agency overseen by Congress.

It is common knowledge that the majority of the media has a left wing bias, the only place that the right wing dominates is AM talk radio and of course she excludes them from the fight.

Dave F. said

NOV 20, 2012 AT 4:31 PM

Sue. Go get a life. This country is based on free speech. Except obviously when a slimy liberal doesn’t like it. I don’t see you trying to silence MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and every other obvious liberal pandering news outlet.

Sue Wilson said

NOV 20, 2012 AT 4:55 PM

Dave, why are you so intent on silencing anything but right-wing views from the airwaves we ALL own? We all don’t own Msnbc or FOX, that’s private enterprise. We DO own CBS and ABC local stations, and if you don’t like what they are doing, prove it and complain to them and the FCC. It’s your right!

Come on Sue can you show ownership of either WTMJ  or WISN?  Yes they are regulated by the FCC as are both satellite and cable.  Even the newswires used by newsprint are regulated by them.  All of the Cable stations get their programming via satellite who’s frequencies are far less then terrestrial.  How may terrestrial licences are there vs satellite.  Can you show ownership of either of the above stations?

All of Fairness Doctrine was found unconstitutional by either the courts or the FCC and was abolished, an offshoot (the Zapple Doctrine) remains.  But as I pointed out to Sue,  Zapple only applies to time bought on the station and not to the time that the pundits spend editorializing (which is covered by freedom of the press.  I posted the following from the renowned FCC attorney.

The abolition of the Fairness Doctrine also allowed broadcasters to editorialize, even endorsing candidates for political office without having to give the opponent of their favored candidate equal time, just like print media can do.(Emphasis mine) Similarly, a station can take a position on a ballot issue, or on another controversial issue of public importance in their communities without having to provide time to those with opposing viewpoints – allowing stations to fully participate in their communities political life.  Under the Fairness Doctrine, stations even had to give time to those with viewpoints opposed to parties who bought time on a controversial issue if the opponents could not themselves afford to buy time.  The occasional discussion of reviving the Fairness Doctrine ignores these issues. . . . so no decision was released as to whether the Zapple Doctrine had continuing validity after the abolition of the Fairness Doctrine.   Presumably, this policy, even if still valid, would not be applied to talk shows, as the statements of talk show hosts, while certainly biased and pointed in one political direction or another, rarely state outright “go vote for candidate X.” (again emphasis mine)

This is not the first time the left has attacked talk radio Mark Lloyd Associate General Counsel and Chief Diversity Officer concocted a plain to force talk radio to subsidize public radio.

The above arguments were deleted but the one that remained brought ad hominem attacks from both Sue and another poster.

Sue Wilson Reports said…

Dear Marshall of Media Trackers,

Let me share some of what’s been said on my blog about this (readers may find the exchange here: http://www.suewilsonreports.com/2012/11/media-action-center-files-legal-action.html ) . . .

In fairness to Sue, she has not censored my comments on her blog, Voices did on theirs. Of course this is still ad-homenem. She can’t show that I am in any way affiliated with Media Trackers and has no bearing on the issues at hand.  But hey I am a Libertarian and by extension one of those “evil capitalist” so hey Media Trackers, if you want to send some money my way, well I won’t turn it down.

The funniest ad-hominem attack came from Proud Badger.

Proud Badger said…

WOW, marshall, you are one scary irrational dude — clicked through to your blog.

Now I know why you post rambling nonsense here about MAC and Ms. Wilson — evidently, you haven’t learned how to organize a train of thought which is why your blog is one massive scroll of rambling.

So how’d that smokin’ ban thing work out fer?

And why do you hate America and the freedoms men and women died for? Freedoms like the right to vote and be represented in a democracy instead of corporate rule?

Don’t you know U.S. history? The American Revolution was to throw the Wal-Mart of its day, East India Tea Company off the back of the colonies because excessive tax breaks and monopoly powers undermined the freedoms of the those living under multinational corporate rule.

Why do you hate Madison, Wisconsin, and the United States of America?

Of course this person shows a leftist revisionist view of history but ignores the fact that we are in fact a “Constitutional Republic” not a “Democracy” and I suggested he/she look at another of my blogposts.  I also asked the question does badger hate all corporations or only those he disagreed with and pointed out the fact that MAC was probably a 501c corporation and that Voices was probably a corporation.  But then the state of Wisconsin is in fact a corporation.

Unless you get vulger or attack another poster (other then me) I do not censor my blog.  But then I don’t pretend to be unbiased and don’t put ” Please join us and let your voice be heard.” on my page.

 

Update

Being active in the fight against smoking bans, I am use to the ad hominem attacks to divert attention from the topic at hand.  And of course it didn’t take long for it to raise it’s ugly head.

Anonymous said…

Isn’t media trackers a couple of guys not-so secretly paid to write stuff by rich benefactors? Franklin, McIver, American Majority are some of the sugar daddies of these pay-for-propaganda writers.

If you read about them by Daniel Bice of JSOnline, you can judge their cred yourself: http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/127152603.html

Maybe Marshall and Aue can model what an out-in-the open debate looks like so we can all benefit from both perspectives?

Come on, is that the only tactic the left has when losing an argument?

Media Action Center “The Empire Strikes Back”

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It appears the leftist group “Media Action Center” Lost it bid to stifle free speech by using the Zapple doctrine to back door the Fairness Doctrine back into existence. In her blog post Sue Wilson (the founder of Media Action Center) made the claim that I did not know the FCC rules.

 WI Broadcasters Assn knows the rules, don’t you? (1+ / 0-)

See pages 5 and 6.

http://www.gklaw.com/…

By the way, I have been a broadcaster – a NEWS broadcaster since 1987.  Emmy’s, AP, RTNDA awards…  I do get things right.

by Sue Wilson on Mon May 21, 2012 at 03:51:16 PM PDT

To Which I responded.

You conveniently ignore the fact that on page four (of your document)  section C  The equal opportunities requirement applies to “legally qualified candidates”   and section D that only opposing candidates are afforded equal time.

In another blog post Mz Wilson was forced to admit that I was in fact correct.

 [new]  Section 315 A Communications Act (3+ / 0-)

This law does say equal time for major party candidates only.  I disagree with that law, but for now, if I can at least get the Democrats represented on radio in the 60 days before an election, rather than Republicans only, that’s a really good start.

by Sue Wilson on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 01:33:31 PM PDT

But the attack on freedom of speech doesn’t end there.  The Empire has literally struck back with a petition campaign. Of course they make the socialist claim that the “Airwaves are government owned” with the following statement from the petition.

The Media Action Center (“MAC”) and local Milwaukee area residents and members of MAC Ray Grosch and Randall Bryce (declarations attached),oppose the renewal of the broadcast license of station WISN-AM  (“Station”) in Milwaukee, Wisconsin,  because existing management is failing to serve the public interest in the community, and is using the publicly owned airwaves with political intent which violates existing FCC rules.  Renewal of said license would detrimentally and irreparably harm the public.

Of course that statement is patently false.  It is true that like many industries Radio is heavily regulated, regulation does not mean ownership!  The vast majority of the regulations are in effect to keep stations from interfering with each other or putting up an even larger transmitter that would overpower smaller stations.  The fact that the Fairness Doctrine was found unconstitutional shows that the government does not have control over content.

How is it that these programs can take political positions without triggering requirements that opposing candidates get equal time? Under FCC rules, unless a candidate’ recognizable voice or image is broadcast by a station, there is no right to equal opportunities. In the past, until the FCC abolished the Fairness Doctrine by declaring it to be unconstitutional, even without a candidate appearance, the station would have had an obligation to give both sides of a controversial issue of public importance, such as an election, free time to respond to on-air statements by an announcer. When the doctrine was abolished, stations were free to air pointed programs taking positions on issues, giving rise initially principally to the conservative commentators, and more recently to their more liberal counterparts such as those heard on Air America radio.

The abolition of the Fairness Doctrine also allowed broadcasters to editorialize, even endorsing candidates for political office without having to give the opponent of their favored candidate equal time, just like print media can do.

In the petition Sue makes the following argument.

According to the FCC, programs must meet three tests to be considered “bonafide news.”  The program must be regularly scheduled, producers must be in control of guests and content, and the program must be non-partisan, not supporting any candidates.

As I pointed out in a previous blog post she is yet again dead wrong. She as most leftist claim to support the “First Amendment” ignore and bastardize it’s intent.

First Amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

By dictating content they are infringing on the rights of the broadcasters right to free speech and the freedom of the press. As pointed out earlier print media has always had the right to endorse a candidate and it is worth repeating.

The abolition of the Fairness Doctrine also allowed broadcasters to editorialize, even endorsing candidates for political office without having to give the opponent of their favored candidate equal time, just like print media can do.

The “First Amendment” prohibits the federal government from interfering with the freedom of speech and the freedom of the press. Compelled speech is just as much an infringement as much as a denial of speech. Here is Judge Andrew Nepolitano’s take on it.

On the other hand, if our rights come from our humanity and our humanity is a gift from God, then we would still enjoy the freedom of speech, whether it is insulated from government interference by the First Amendment or not. The wording of the First Amendment itself gives us a peek at what its authors thought. They wrote: “Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech.” It doesn’t say that Congress shall grant freedom of speech; rather, it prohibits Congress from interfering with it. And by referring to free speech as the freedom of speech, the drafters recognized that the freedom of speech already existed before the country that they were founding even came to be.

Of course Sue like all leftist concentrated on the “Scott Walker recall” ignoring the fact that Obama won the election proving that Conservative radio does not have the negative impact that they claim.  They just did not make their case to the public through their outlets.  Their Hypocrisy is also apparent in the fact that they do not hold left wing talk radio to the same standard. Ed Schultz was camped out in Wisconsin pushing for the leftist agenda.

Yet another “Progressive blogger” used similar arguments.

In a statement to Badger Democracy, Democratic Party spokesman Graeme Zielinski raised grave concern over this practice:

If it is not illegal it certainly is unethical for these broadcast corporations to be providing propaganda support in a scheme straight out of the Kremlin’s playbook. The employers at WTMJ and the other stations should explain how they are independent of the Walker administration and how their hours and hours of slavishly positive-and now, we see, coordinated-coverage fits within their own ethical guidelines and the rules and laws of Wisconsin and the United States.
The idea that the government can so directly control broadcasters who use public airwaves represents a major crisis for Wisconsin journalism.
A fellow member of “Media Action Center” Andrew defended Sue with the following comment.

AndrewR
Jun 14, 2012 @ 03:59:43 [Edit]

I seriously doubt that.
a) Even during the election cycles, the shows are free to be as partisan and one-sided as always whenever the topic is not about that current election.
b) How could constructive debate of both sides put them out of business? In fact, some of the most exciting and entertaining radio is when both sides are allowed to hash it out together. Why is WISN and WTMJ so afraid of that?
Progressive talk shows already have plenty of conservative guests on for debate. Take for example, http://www.thomhartmann.com/
3 million+ listeners tune in to hear him debate multiple conservative guests on almost every show. Why can’t Belling, Sykes, or McKenna do that?

Here is a classic example of Thom’s fair and balanced approach to Journalism.

Of course you don’t see Libertarians like me or even Conservatives calling for these shows taken off the air.  But then you don’t see any of us using class warfare,gender warfare or race baiting to make our case.  But there are warnings from the past on those that do.

Of course it is not only free speech that these “Progressives” are going after.  Your privacy is at stake.

A Senate proposal touted as protecting Americans’ e-mail privacy has been quietly rewritten, giving government agencies more surveillance power than they possess under current law.

CNET has learned that Patrick Leahy, the influential Democratic chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee, has dramatically reshaped his legislation in response to law enforcement concerns. A vote on his bill, which now authorizes warrantless access to Americans’ e-mail, is scheduled for next week.

Leahy’s rewritten bill would allow more than 22 agencies — including the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Federal Communications Commission — to access Americans’ e-mail, Google Docs files, Facebook wall posts, and Twitter direct messages without a search warrant. It also would give the FBI and Homeland Security more authority, in some circumstances, to gain full access to Internet accounts without notifying either the owner or a judge.

Revised bill highlights

✭ Grants warrantless access to Americans’ electronic correspondence to over 22 federal agencies. Only a subpoena is required, not a search warrant signed by a judge based on probable cause.

✭ Permits state and local law enforcement to warrantlessly access Americans’ correspondence stored on systems not offered “to the public,” including university networks.

✭ Authorizes any law enforcement agency to access accounts without a warrant — or subsequent court review — if they claim “emergency” situations exist.

✭ Says providers “shall notify” law enforcement in advance of any plans to tell their customers that they’ve been the target of a warrant, order, or subpoena.

✭ Delays notification of customers whose accounts have been accessed from 3 days to “10 business days.” This notification can be postponed by up to 360 days.

Update

I have frequently pointed out in the past that no one listens to liberal radio, that’s why Air America failed!  They were both in the progressive areas of Wisconsin and Milwaukee and yet they failed.  Freedom of choice dictates that if you don’t like the content you simply change the dial!

Rush put it eloquently.

RUSH:  All right, a couple more little blurbs here.  Sacramento Bee, Sue Wilson: “Considering a 2003 Gallup poll showing that 22 percent of Americans get their information from talk radio, we’re not just talking about what is fair play; we are talking about a threat to the democracy we hold dear.”  Lib talk radio dying. Lib talk radio “has been taken off the air in Boston; Fresno; San Diego; Madison, Wis.; Eugene, Ore.; Austin, Texas; New Haven, Conn.; Columbus, Ohio and other markets all across the country,” because it failed, because it got no listeners.  But yet there’s this 2003 Gallup poll showing that “22% of Americans get their information from talk radio.  We’re not just talking about what’s fair play.

He also said;

Let me answer your question, Sue. Corporate dollars are not the sole arbiter of what information you the people get to hear on publicly owned airwaves. Your little lib station, your little lib programming has had a couple of opportunities in Sacramento. Nobody wanted to listen to it. Corporations are not required to lose money in order to present a point of view and in such a way that irritates people just so there is so-called fairness.

 

Americans for Nonsmokers’ Rights Accuses the Rest of the Story Author of Being Unprofessional

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Americans for Nonsmokers’ Rights Accuses the Rest of the Story Author of Being Unprofessional 

 

I disagree with Dr Siegel on the issue of smoking bans, but I would never question his integrity!  He is one of the very few within the Tobacco Control Movement that is willing to stand on what he believes is sound science. A lot of earlier links to his works are broken as are a lot of mine when I was with “Ban the Ban Wisconsin”

There are only two people in the “Tobacco Control” movement that I have any respect for and that is the good “Dr Siegel” and “Martin Pion” of MoGASP although I am losing faith in the latter as I have been banished from his site without explanation.  Both are members of the FDA shadow panel.

I defended Dr Siegel several years ago while working with “Ban the Ban Wisconsin” not because I agreed with him but because of his integrity.  One can disagree with someone and still respect them for their integrity.  Science is not as simple as 2+2=4, and it is even less so when it comes to statistics, and the entirety of smoking bans are based on statistics! And as Mark Twain said in his autobiography said “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics”

It is one thing to disagree with someone, it is quite another to attack their integrity.  This is not the first time that Dr Siegel has been attacked! The other time I defended him they attempted to get him fired from his job at the Boston University School of Public Health.  Again my post at “Ban the Ban” is gone and I can’t find his post from that period, but it did happen. But to put the good doctors words in perspective.

As a primarily science-based movement, public health is supposed to have room for those who dissent from consensus opinions based on reasonable scientific grounds. To argue that those who fail to conclude that the small relative risk for lung cancer of 1.3 among persons exposed to secondhand smoke is indicative of a causal connection are comparable to Holocaust deniers is to turn public health into a religion, where the doctrines must be accepted on blind faith to avoid being branded as a heretic.

While I personally believe the evidence is sufficient to conclude that secondhand smoke causes heart disease and lung cancer, there are a considerable number of reputable scientists who have come to different conclusions. While I believe those scientists are wrong, I would never argue that they are denialists, nor would I ever compare their dissent with Holocaust denial.

Diethelm and McKee appear to be basing their assessment that secondhand smoke “dissenters” are “denialists” not on the reasonableness of the scientific arguments, but on the position of these arguments. This is a dangerous proposition which threatens the integrity of public health by turning it into a purely ideological movement, rather than a scientific one.

Again my links are broken but those are the words of Dr Siegel, if I could find the original article Diethelm and McKee compared those of us fighting the bans as flat earther’s yet it was those very people that tried to use consensus and political might to suppress the opposition.

As much taxpayer money that is being spent in the name of “Big Pharma” and in the name of Tobacco Control” it is time for a full fledged investigation into the spending and grants into this prohibitionist movement.  A lot of the money funding this movement came from extortion from the Master Settlement Agreement, when in history was any group forced through force of law, forced to fund the lobby group lobbying against them.  Where the Jews forced to fund the Nazi party?  Where the blacks forced to fund the KKK? But in modern america it is acceptable to force smokers to fund the very people lobbying against them? And even with the billions of dollars they have extorted they still demand more through more punitive taxes!  When does it all end!

The Taxing Power and the Public’s Health

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Previously I have written on Taxation As a Tool for Nannie Statism where I show in my state that tobacco products are taxed between 70 to 100% of the wholesale price of the product and that is just the state.  The Federal government as part of SCHIP raised taxes on some products as high as 2200%.

“I’ll say this plainly, I’ve said it before – Taxation is theft. It presumes the government has a higher claim on our property than we do,” says Judge Andrew Napolitano

“And with apologies to Sinclair Lewis, if fascism comes to America, it will not be waving a flag or a cross, it will be waving a medical chart,” said Colorado state Sen. Shawn Mitchell

There have been many who laughed at those of us who talked about the slippery slope of “Nanny Statism”  Well we have been proven correct and we are not laughing.  This from The New England Journal of Medicine.

Many observers feared that the Supreme Court decision on the challenge to the Affordable Care Act (ACA)1 would endorse a breathtaking expansion of the role of the federal government in regulating health matters. And it did — but not in the anticipated way. While enunciating limits on the commerce and spending powers, the Court opened the door for Congress to use its taxing power to achieve myriad policy objectives. The federal government may now increasingly join state and local governments in making creative use of taxes to pursue public health goals, though political obstacles may block immediate action.

They go on to say.

The federal government has long used taxes to achieve public health goals, but in fairly limited ways. Taxes and tax penalties for individuals have generally been confined to products that cause health harms and associated social costs, such as tobacco, alcohol, firearms, and pollutants. Taxing of activities is rarer and confined to economic transactions; most recently, the ACA imposed a 10% tax on tanning-salon services. Broader use has been made of tax penalties and incentives to influence corporations to refrain from activities that threaten health, such as environmental contamination, or to engage in health-promoting activities such as subsidizing health insurance and wellness programs.

Roberts’s opinion appears to invite more targeted, assertive interventions to promote public health. For example, instead of merely taxing tobacco sales, the federal government could require individuals to pay a tax penalty unless they declare that they haven’t used tobacco products during the year. It could give a tax credit to people who submit documentation that their body-mass index is in the normal range or has decreased during the year or to diabetic persons who document that their glycated hemoglobin levels are controlled. It could tax individuals who fail to purchase gym memberships. It could require taxpayers to complete an annual health improvement plan with their physician in order to obtain a tax credit, though that might be challenged under other parts of the Constitution. These strategies depart from traditional uses of taxes by targeting omissions and noncommercial activities that are important drivers of chronic disease.

State and local governments, too, can pursue such strategies. Levying taxes to achieve regulatory aims — even taxes resembling mandates with penalties — is well within their police-power authority. They’ve wielded this power to impose various “sin” taxes on unhealthful products, as well as in more innovative ways, such as the insurance mandate with an SRP that Massachusetts pioneered. The Court ruling makes clear that the federal government can enter territory historically dominated by the states.

Freedom is on the line, individual rights are on the line!

 

Update

The Determinators:

Whoever Pays Holds the Power to Decide

Badger Democracy Revisited

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A couple of weeks ago I took on a progressive blogger because of his attacks on Talk radio. The exchange quickly turned to economics.  He said:

There is too much here to discuss in a comment response. If you are hanging your economic hat on Friedman, I’m sorry. He and his followers have been wrong in so many ways about his so-called “free market” theories. Friedman’s theories put into practice are directly responsible for worldwide dissolution and collapse of middle class working economies. The only reason his economics are still practiced is revisionist history and those in power profiting greatly from the outcome. Greed as the driving force – you are missing the point. Friedman has always misrepresented the work of Adam Smith – ignoring the moral imperative in his work. “Superior prudence,” Smith said, “is the best head joined to the best heart.” But over the years, economics instructors have edited out Smith’s “moral sentiments” — leaving only the impression that the “invisible hand” of free markets can magically convert individual greed into mutual benefit. Much ignored today is the fact that Smith was pro regulation – The purpose of banking regulations was to oblige “all of them to be more circumspect in their conduct, and by not extending their currency beyond its due proportion to their cash, to guard themselves against the ruinous runs, which the rivalship of so many competitors is always ready to bring upon them” (Wealth of Nations).

On the invisible hand comment Right from Smiths wealth of nations page 363,

By preferring the support of domestic to that of foreign industry, he intends only his own security; and by directing that industry in such a manner as its produce may be of the greatest value, he intends only his own gain; and he is in this, as in many other cases, led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was no part of his intention. Nor is it always the worse for the society that it was no part of it. By pursuing his own interest, he frequently promotes that of the society more effectually than when he really intends to promote it. I have never known much good done by those who affected to trade for the public good. It is an affectation, indeed, not very common among merchants, and very few words need be employed in dissuading them from it.

Page 19

Whoever offers to another a bargain of any kind, proposes to do
this. Give me that which I want, and you shall have this which
you want, is the meaning of every such offer; and it is in this
manner that we obtain from one another the far greater part of
those good offices which we stand in need of. It is not from the
benevolence of the butcher the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity, but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities, but of their advantages. Nobody but a beggar chooses to depend chiefly upon the benevolence of his fellow-citizens. Even a beggar does not depend upon it entirely. The charity of well-disposed people, indeed, supplies him with the whole fund of his subsistence. But though this principle ultimately provides him with all the necessaries of life which he has occasion for, it neither does nor can provide him with them as he has occasion for them. The greater part of his occasional wants are supplied in the same manner as those of other people, by treaty, by barter, and by purchase.

On regulation page 112;

A regulation which obliges all those of the same trade in a particular town to enter their names and places of abode in a public register, facilitates such assemblies. It connects individuals who might never otherwise be known to one another, and gives every man of the trade a direction where to find every other man of it.
A regulation which enables those of the same trade to tax themselves, in order to provide for their poor, their sick, their widows and orphans, by giving them a common interest to manage, renders such assemblies necessary.
An incorporation not only renders them necessary, but makes
the act of the majority binding upon the whole. In a free trade, an
effectual combination cannot be established but by the unanimous consent of every single trader, and it cannot last longer than every single trader continues of the same mind. The majority of a corporation can enact a bye-law, with proper penalties, which will limit the competition more effectually and more durably than any voluntary combination whatever.
The pretence that corporations are necessary for the better government of the trade, is without any foundation. The real and
effectual discipline which is exercised over a workman, is not that
of his corporation, but that of his customers. It is the fear of losing
their employment which restrains his frauds and corrects his negligence.

Badger then goes on to say:

 . . .  As for your definition of fascism – to imply that progressive policies in any way reflect fascism is laughable. And by the way…the founders NEVER intended pure laissez faire capitalism. Our current state of corporate capitalist-dominated politics was one of their worst nightmares.

It is not my definition of fascism it is your fellow progressives that have made that distinction.

Of course you ignore the fact that it is the Progressives that took the money supply from the Department of  Treasury and created a private corporation called the FED who they also gave control of the banks.

From the FED’s own page.

The Federal Reserve System is considered to be an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive branch of government. The System is, however, subject to oversight by the U.S. Congress.

In recent history the progressives passed the PACT Act under the guise of stopping the trafficking of cigarettes. it did nothing to reduce trafficking  it was nothing more then a protective measure to protect the states that imposed abusive taxes on it’s citizens. With the added benefit of “nanny statism” Then we move on to The Main Street Fairness Act which has the same protectionist attitude as the PACT Act but applies it to sales tax. It ignores the fact that competition lowers cost even when it comes to taxation.  Adam Smith even covers this.

Page 361

That this monopoly of the home market frequently gives great
encouragement to that particular species of industry which enjoys
it, and frequently turns towards that employment a greater share
of both the labour and stock of the society than would otherwise
have gone to it, cannot be doubted. But whether it tends either to
increase the general industry of the society, or to give it the most
advantageous direction, is not, perhaps, altogether so evident.
The general industry of the society can never exceed what the
capital of the society can employ. As the number of workmen that
can be kept in employment by any particular person must bear a
certain proportion to his capital, so the number of those that can
be continually employed by all the members of a great society
must bear a certain proportion to the whole capital of the society,
and never can exceed that proportion. No regulation of commerce
can increase the quantity of industry in any society beyond what
its capital can maintain. It can only divert a part of it into a direction
into which it might not otherwise have gone;

It is quite lengthy but Joseph T. Salerno did a video called “Keynes and the “New Economics” of Fascism”

 

 

Taxation As a Tool for Nannie Statism

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In the fight to keep the RYO shops open I received a letter from Senator Herb Kohl who supported the amendment in the Transportation Bill stating that it will help close the budget gap and close a loophole in the SCHIP tax. Of course the latter part is an out and out lie. It changed no tax laws, NONE. People who rented the RYO machines payed all taxes on both the tubes and tobacco. As I reported earlier in my state just the state tax on the tobacco used in these machines is 71% of the wholesale price. So this is more of a matter of politicians catering to their lobbyist handlers then it has to do with tax loopholes.

It is not surprising that the same lobbyist that pushed for the PACT Act also pushed for the amendment to the Transportation bill.

There are even investigations into the misuse of taxpayer dollars being used in these lobbying efforts.

The U.S. House Energy and Commerce Committee last week sent a letter to Kathleen Sebelius, the Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), raising serious questions about the possible misuse of federal stimulus taxpayer dollars to lobby for higher sugar taxes, increased tobacco taxes, restrictions on restaurant zoning, setting restaurant standards, and changing relative prices of health and unhealthy food items. Under federal law, it is illegal to use funds appropriated by Congress to influence in any manner a member of Congress or an official of any government regarding any legislation, law, or policy.

This has not only taken place at the national level but has taken place at the state and local level.

DENVER (AP) – Auditors on Monday questioned whether Colorado health officials are following the law by giving money from tobacco taxes to help local initiatives barring smoking in public beyond what’s already prohibited by state law.

But this has been the case with all of the “Tobacco Control” laws and you see the same players involved in each of the laws.

The PACT Act which was sponsored by Senator Kohl had the same nefarious players.

Specific Organizations Supporting S.1147

For those unfamiliar with the PACT Act

Official Summary

3/31/2010–Public Law. (This measure has not been amended since it was reported to the Senate on November 19, 2009. The summary of that version is repeated here.) Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking Act of 2009 or PACT Act – Amends the Jenkins Act to revise provisions governing the collection of taxes on, and trafficking in, cigarettes and smokeless tobacco.

(Sec. 2)

Revises the definition of “cigarette” to include roll-your-own tobacco and to exclude cigars. Defines “delivery sale” to mean any sale of cigarettes or smokeless tobacco to a consumer ordered by telephone, the mails, or the Internet or other online service . Redefines “person” to include state, local, and Indian tribal governments. Redefines “use” to include the consumption, storage, handling, or disposal of smokeless tobacco, in addition to cigarettes.

Of course the final section of the Act is an out and out lie.

(Sec. 8)

Expresses the sense of Congress that this Act responds to the unique harms posed by online cigarette sales and does not create a precedent for the collection of state sales or use taxes by, or the validity of efforts to impose other types of taxes on, out-of-state entities that do not have a physical presence in the taxing state.

One only needs to look at the original intent of the Act to see this.

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE; FINDINGS; PURPOSES.

 

(a) Short Title- This Act may be cited as the ‘Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking Act of 2009’ or ‘PACT Act’.

 

(b) Findings- Congress finds that–

 

(1) the sale of illegal cigarettes and smokeless tobacco products significantly reduces Federal, State, and local government revenues, with Internet sales alone accounting for billions of dollars of lost Federal, State, and local tobacco tax revenue each year;

 

(2) Hezbollah, Hamas, al Qaeda, and other terrorist organizations have profited from trafficking in illegal cigarettes or counterfeit cigarette tax stamps;

 

(3) terrorist involvement in illicit cigarette trafficking will continue to grow because of the large profits such organizations can earn;

 

(4) the sale of illegal cigarettes and smokeless tobacco over the Internet, and through mail, fax, or phone orders, makes it cheaper and easier for children to obtain tobacco products;

 

(5) the majority of Internet and other remote sales of cigarettes and smokeless tobacco are being made without adequate precautions to protect against sales to children, without the payment of applicable taxes, and without complying with the nominal registration and reporting requirements in existing Federal law;

 

(6) unfair competition from illegal sales of cigarettes and smokeless tobacco is taking billions of dollars of sales away from law-abiding retailers throughout the United States;

 

(7) with rising State and local tobacco tax rates, the incentives for the illegal sale of cigarettes and smokeless tobacco have increased;

 

(8) the number of active tobacco investigations being conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives rose to 452 in 2005;

 

(9) the number of Internet vendors in the United States and in foreign countries that sell cigarettes and smokeless tobacco to buyers in the United States increased from only about 40 in 2000 to more than 500 in 2005; and

 

(10) the intrastate sale of illegal cigarettes and smokeless tobacco over the Internet has a substantial effect on interstate commerce.CommentsPermalink

 

(c) Purposes- It is the purpose of this Act to–

 

(1) require Internet and other remote sellers of cigarettes and smokeless tobacco to comply with the same laws that apply to law-abiding tobacco retailers;

 

(2) create strong disincentives to illegal smuggling of tobacco products;

 

(3) provide government enforcement officials with more effective enforcement tools to combat tobacco smuggling;

 

(4) make it more difficult for cigarette and smokeless tobacco traffickers to engage in and profit from their illegal activities;

 

(5) increase collections of Federal, State, and local excise taxes on cigarettes and smokeless tobacco; and

 

(6) prevent and reduce youth access to inexpensive cigarettes and smokeless tobacco through illegal Internet or contraband sales.

Of course the act played on the fears of terrorism and used the fact that terrorist engaged it illegal cigarette trafficking but the act only put legal internet and mail order businesses out of business and did nothing to address the black market.  In effect they protected the interest of states that imposed abusive taxes on its citizens and protected the interest of “Big Tobacco”,”Big Pharma” and the National Association of Convenience Stores.

This abuse of smokers was exacerbated by the abusive SCHIP tax imposed on smokers.

The U.S. Senate approved a measure late Thursday to raise tobacco taxes and expand the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (Schip) to cover more uninsured children.

U.S. Sens. John McCain and Jon Kyl of Arizona joined 32 other Republicans in voting against the bill. They want the program to focus on uninsured children of the working poor, while the Democratic plan includes more lower- and middle-class children without health coverage.

The $33 billion bill will raise federal cigarette taxes from 39 cents to $1 per pack. It also raises federal levies on cigars, rolling papers and other tobacco-related products.

The plan already had been approved by the U.S. House and is backed by the Barack Obama administration.

The following chart shows exactly the abusive increase in tax imposed on the smokers.

Product Federal Tax Rates Through March 31, 2009 Federal Tax Rates on April 1, 2009
Cigarettes 39¢ per pack $1.0066 per pack (Rounded to $1.01/pack)
Large Cigars 20.719% of manufacturer’s price; cap of 4.875¢/cigar 52.75% of manufacturer’s price; cap of 40.26 cents per cigar
Little Cigars 4¢ per pack $1.0066 per pack (Rounded to $1.01/pack)
Pipe Tobacco $1.0969 per pound $2.8311 per pound
Chewing Tobacco 19.5¢ per pound 50.33¢ per pound
Snuff 58.5¢ per pound $1.51 per pound
Roll Your Own; Cigar Wrappers $1.0969 per pound $24.78 per pound
Cigarette Paper 1.22¢ per 50 papers 3.15¢ per 50 papers
Cigarette Tubes 2.44¢ per 50 tubes 6.30¢ per 50 tubes

As you can see above the tax on RYO tobacco went up 2259% , the tax on tubes went up 258%.  This draconian tax forced poor smokers to resort to using pipe tobacco, yes that tobacco went up drastically but wound up being a lower cost alternative as it only went up 258%.

Here in Wisconsin this abuse of smokers was exacerbated by Comrade Doyle who not only ramrodded the smoking ban in but imposed abusive taxes on smokers himself.  From the Wisconsin Department of Revenue.

Tax Type Prior to January 1, 2008 January 1, 2008 to August 31, 2009 September 1, 2009 and thereafter
Tobacco Products 50% of manufacturer’s established list price to distributors 71% of manufacturer’s established list price to distributors
Moist Snuff $1.31 per ounce 100% of manufacturer’s established list price to distributors
Cigars Lesser of 50% of manufacturer’s established list price to distributors or $0.50 per cigar Lesser of 71% of manufacturer’s established list price to distributors or $0.50 per cigar

The abusive taxes has forced cigarette smokers to seek alternatives.

From 2000 to 2011, total cigarette consumption declined from 435.6 billion to 292.8 billion, a 32.8% decrease (Table 1). Per capita cigarette consumption declined from 2,076 in 2000 to 1,232 in 2011, a 40.7% decrease. Conversely, total consumption of noncigarette combustible products increased from 15.2 billion cigarette equivalents in 2000 to 33.8 billion in 2011, a 123.1% increase, and per capita consumption increased from 72 in 2000 to 142 in 2011, a 96.9% increase. Total consumption of all combustible tobacco decreased from 450.7 billion cigarette equivalents to 326.6, a 27.5% decrease from 2000 to 2011, and per capita consumption of all combustible tobacco products declined from 2,148 to 1,374, a 36.0% decrease.

Consumption of loose tobacco (i.e., roll-your-own cigarette tobacco and pipe tobacco) changed substantially from 2000 to 2011. Roll-your-own cigarette equivalent consumption decreased by 56.3%, whereas pipe tobacco consumption increased by 482.1% (Table 2). The largest changes occurred from 2008 to 2011, when roll-your-own consumption decreased from 10.7 billion to 2.6 billion (a 75.7% decrease), whereas pipe tobacco consumption increased from 2.6 billion to 17.5 billion (a 573.1% increase).

Substantial changes also were observed in consumption of small cigars† and large cigars (Figure 1). From 2000 to 2011, consumption of small cigars decreased 65.0%, whereas large cigar consumption increased 233.1% (Table 2). The largest changes occurred from 2008 to 2011, when small cigar consumption decreased from 5.9 billion to 0.8 billion (an 86.4% decrease), whereas large cigar consumption increased from 5.7 billion to 12.9 billion (a 126.3% increase).

Annual cigarette consumption declined each year during 2000–2011, including a 2.6% decrease from 2010 to 2011, but total consumption of combustible tobacco decreased only 0.8% from 2010 to 2011, in part because of the effect of continued increases in the consumption of noncigarette combustible tobacco products (Figure 2). From 2000 to 2011, the percentage of total combustible tobacco consumption composed of loose tobacco and cigars increased from 3.4% (15.2 billion cigarette equivalents out of 450.7 billion) to 10.4% (33.8 billion of 326.6 billion).

Additional Tax Hikes Likely

Kristina Rasmussen, director of government affairs for the National Taxpayers Union, said, “We are absolutely opposed to this massive tax increase, which would come along with a massive increase in government spending. The planned increase in the tobacco tax would be expected to pay for a huge increase in government spending. But the use of tobacco products is going down, so smokers and nonsmokers alike will pay for those spending increases through other increased taxes.”

A recent study by the Mackinac Center for Public Policy supports Rasmussen’s point. “Cigarette Taxes and Smuggling: A Statistical Analysis and Historical Review” reported high cigarette taxes are leading to an increase in cigarette smuggling. That problem, combined with reduced levels of smoking as smokers try to cut costs, consistently results in less cigarette tax revenue than projected.

In New Jersey (where the smuggling rate exceeds 40 percent), cigarette revenue has not merely fallen short of projections. The amount of revenue collected has fallen, after four tax hikes in the past seven years have taken the tax to $2.58 per pack.

Heartland also points to why these abusive taxes are favorable to politicians.

Popular with Lawmakers

With a national smoking rate of just under 20 percent, it is no wonder that raising cigarette taxes is popular with lawmakers, says John Nothdurft, a legislative specialist at The Heartland Institute. The “tax thee, but not me” approach makes raising cigarette and other “sin” taxes appealing to politicians who want more revenue without angering most taxpayers.

However, “This concentrates the tax on a minority of people who can least afford it and who already pay more than their fair share,” Nothdurft said.

“Cigarette taxes are highly regressive and place an undue burden on the poor,” Nothdurft continued. “Studies have shown that tobacco use is more common among low-income Americans than among those with higher incomes. Cigarette taxes take a bigger share of the income of a low-income person than of a high-income person, and the low-income person pays more in cigarette taxes in absolute terms, as well.”

Analysts note state and local taxes on tobacco products are already past the point on the Laffer Curve where raising rates reduces revenues. Named for economist Arthur Laffer, the curve shows at a certain point a high tax rate will actually decrease revenue because the tax becomes so punishing that people avoid the taxed item or activity.

There is plenty of proof that using taxation to enact “nanny statism” is a dismal failure and a regressive tax on the poor.

ALBANY — Low-income smokers in New York spend 25 percent of their income on cigarettes, according to a new study, which led advocates for smokers’ rights to say it proved high taxes were regressive and ineffective. . . .

Audrey Silk of Citizens Lobbying Against Smoker Harassment, an advocacy group, said the study showed that cigarette taxes were punitive and “undeniably regressive.”

“It busts their theory that high taxes equal submission to their coercive measure,” Ms. Silk said. She criticized those in government who opposed smoking and increased related taxes.

The smuggling that has taken place as a result of these draconian taxes is well documented.

Here is a question for lawmakers to consider before casting their votes to raise the federal cigarette tax by 61 cents per pack: How can the number of smokers have increased over the last decade while the number of tax-paid cigarettes has fallen sharply?

The answer is that Americans are smoking millions of bootlegged cigarettes.

Consider the case of Jorge Abraham. He’s not exactly the stereotypical border-crossing smuggler: a quadriplegic living with his parents in El Paso. But prosecutors called him “extremely resourceful” when he smuggled millions of packs of cigarettes into the U.S. from China and distributed them nationwide. In 2005 he pled guilty and went to prison.

What drove Mr. Abraham, and what encourages others like him, is the simple arithmetic of cigarette tax evasion. Today a pack of brand name cigarettes can be had for as little as $1.25 in low-tax jurisdictions around the world. Due mostly to federal, state and local taxes, the U.S. price for that same pack reaches $7.50. When Jorge Abraham or any other smuggler moves just one shipping container containing 200,000 packs into the U.S., the profit potential is a cool $1 million.

As in other black markets—such as that for illicit drugs—such enormous profits lure many violent individuals into the trade. A recent string of homicides and shootings in New York City described in a Tax Foundation paper on cigarette tax evasion illustrates just how severe these problems can be.

Tax evasion is by no means the only crime that will rise in the wake of a much higher federal cigarette tax. Cigarettes are often the product of choice for thieves since the development of an active black market creates a place where they can quickly be sold for cash. Across the country cigarette tax hikes have been accompanied bytobacco-related crime waves that threaten truck drivers and retail clerks and other innocent people along the cigarette distribution chain.

Here’s more.

The authors’ review of Michigan’s, New Jersey’s and California’s cigarette smuggling experiences suggest that cigarette smugglers can realize large profits: tens of thousands of dollars for a single vanload of cigarettes, and hundreds of thousands of dollars for a single truckload. These sums represent a loss in estimated tax revenues to a state’s treasury, but they have produced other unintended consequences, including a variety of crimes:

These societal costs are frequently borne by innocent people. This, together with the authors’ cigarette smuggling estimates, suggests that state policymakers should reassess the value of cigarette taxes as a revenue and public health tool. States with high cigarette taxes, for instance, may want to consider reducing those taxes to reduce the smuggling incentive and the attendant ancillary crime. States with lower cigarette tax rates should be cautious about increasing the taxes, especially with an apparent growth in international smuggling. State policymakers should also recall that cigarette taxes are regressive, and that cigarette tax revenues are best spent on programs that mitigate the cost of smoking, not on general programs that would be more properly financed by the general taxpayer.

Just this week this was reported in Kansas City

In a case that started in the aisles of a Kansas City convenience store, federal authorities say they have uncovered a nationwide conspiracy to illegally traffic tens of millions of dollars worth of cigarettes.

Several area residents allegedly were at the hub of the enterprise. Although no criminal charges have been filed, federal prosecutors this year seized more than $2.6 million from individuals and their bank accounts as part of the ongoing investigation.

Prosecutors are pursuing the forfeiture of the money, a $550,000 airplane and four semi trucks that authorities contend were purchased with illegally obtained proceeds. A Lee’s Summit man is among those trying to get some of the money back.

The scope of the alleged conspiracy is outlined in a 101-page civil complaint that prosecutors filed in U.S. District Court in Kansas City. . .

Trafficking in contraband cigarettes occurs throughout the country, said Special Agent Trista Frederick, a spokeswoman for the ATF in Kansas City. Because of the underground nature of the business, its scope is hard to quantify.

“It can be quite lucrative,” she said.

In one California case she investigated, state revenue officials estimated that over an 18-month period the state was deprived of about $17 million in tax revenue, Frederick said.

So while lawmakers attempt to use punitive taxes as a means to enact social change and install “nanny statist” laws it is clear that the outcome is far from the outcome that they intended.  It not only does not produce their desired outcomes it promotes criminal activity which in their minds justifies even more violations on civil liberties and more punitive laws.

“That the power to tax involves the power to destroy; that the power to destroy may defeat and render useless the power to create….”

Chief Justice John Marshall

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences.  C.S. Lewis

The fatal attraction of government is that it allows busybodies to impose decisions on others without paying any price themselves. That enables them to act as if there were no price, even when there are ruinous prices — paid by others.  Millions of people’s lives are made worse in innumerable ways, in order that a relative handful of busybodies can feel important and superior. Thomas Sowell

For more information on Tobacco Control tactics click here.

Education: The Case for a Voucher System

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In a receint blog Badger Democracy questioned the validity of a study done by the Brookings  Institution that was based on statistics.  Statistics have been used by politicians since the mathmatical manipulation tool called statistics. Mark Twain’s quote from his autobiography is a classic example.

Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.”

Statistics have long been a tool by both sides to push their agenda and as such should be looked at with a jaundics eye.  Being active in the fight against smoking bans I am quite aware of how statistical manipulation is being used to craft public policy, and when standard statistical manipulation doesn’t work they resort to further manipulation using “meta-analysis” So even though I am unfamiliar with the study he refers too and he may be correct in his assessment of the bias in the study, it doesn’t matter.

While progressives like Badger are against corporatism and the monopolies that sometimes result, he ignores the monopolies created by the government and the public school system is a classic example of a monopoly.

This is emphisised in a piece done by the CATO institute.

Competitors. Or, rather, the lack of them. Private sector workers can only demand so much from their companies before the demands become self-defeating. Get a pension package that’s too cushy, a salary that’s too far above the market rate, and the employer will have to pass those costs on to customers. And if those higher prices aren’t accompanied by correspondingly better quality, customers will simply go elsewhere—hurting the employees who asked for more than the market would bear.

And there’s the problem with public schooling: there’s no “elsewhere.” If you don’t like the way your local school district is run, there isn’t a competing school district vying to provide your kids with a better education at a lower cost. You’ve got no place else to go, and unions know this. So they can ask for more employees to be hired, better pensions or health benefits, and they can demand that their compensation not depend on their performance. And there’s very little that parents and taxpayers can do about it.

Badger responded to the following video.

In his arguments against “laissez faire capitalism” he says.

The economic followers of which you speak have been data sifting, propagandizing, and re-writing history for decades, even abusing the “invisible hand” that Adam Smith wrote of in the earliest days of the republic. You need to get out of that box – economic theories and systems do not operate in social, moral, or fiscal equilibrium.

It is in fact compitition that creates that equilibrium. And in the realm of education it is indeed a monopoly and under the current system only the rich are able to explore the alternitives such as private education. This monopoly is brought up in another CATO piece.

No doubt part of the reason that at least the AFT is accepting a little blame is that it sees that teachers unions are losing the sympathies of many members of the public. People are seemingly growing tired of seeing unionized educators enjoying good incomes and expensive perks while those paying the taxes struggle and test scores languish.

The problem with the union reinvention—at least as captured by the Weingarten quote—is that it probably strikes many people as hollow. Why? Because they know that unions are run by normal people and represent normal people, and what they want first and foremost is not what’s best for kids or “fairness,” but getting as good a deal for themselves as possible. In other words, they are starting to see through unions’ selfless-angels facade—the public relations sham of people just wanting a living wage while they give the mythical 110 percent “for the kids” —and are glimpsing normal, profit-seeking human beingswho have had a fairly cushy deal over the decades.

Teachers unions, as those of us at Cato’s Center for Educational Freedom have said, are not the root problem in education, nor are they or the people they represent any more evil or good than most other people. The root educational problem is that public schools are government schools, and politics—which cannot be detached from government—rewards concentrated special interests, of which unionized teachers are among the biggest.

Again it goes to the video of Milton Friedman, the teachers Unions are looking out for their own self interests, not that this is wrong.  It is in fact human nature.  Since he brought up the moral issue when he said “You need to get out of that box – economic theories and systems do not operate in social, moral, or fiscal equilibrium.”  It beggs the question in a free society is it the role of government to craft social,moral or fiscal equilibrium and who decides who’s morals are crafted into law. 

This moral question is brought up in one of the comments to the post.

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“School Vouchers” is a program created to justify using tax dollars to pay for religious classes with tax dollars which is directly blocked by the Constitution.

They should call it “indirectly funding school prayer with tax dollars” and be truthful for once about their motives to cherry pick the Constitution. Run by the evidence burning defrocked politician Scott Jensen whose stench permeates this movement.

Motive? Stripping tax dollars out of the education process.

Not to provide a better education for anyone – except the taxpayer who better be noticing by now. Because studies indicate public schools are the most effective education process and only by de-funding and quoting stacked “studies” and other manufactured statistics can they promote their agenda through a slew of paid bloggers. These tax siphoners have overplayed their hand and taxpayers and voters must shut them down.

Reject Republicans, Reduce Corporate Influence and Arrest Temporary Governor Scott Walker !

Of course this is a compleate bastardization of the constitution that has been perpitrated by the Secular Left.  Perhaps the above poster was a product of a public school education and reading comprehention totally escapes them. For those who have a reasonable level of reading comprehention here is the First Amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The secular left have in fact bastardized the concept of freedom of religion to freedom from religion. As long as the government demands taxpayers pay for a childs education does not mean that the government has the the right to dictate that the government has the right to mandate a secular education.  It is the right of the parent to dictate the moral teachings of the child.  The Constitution is not violated as long as the Government does not favor one religion over another.  The voucher system satisfies the Constitution.  Mandating a secular “freedom from religion” does not.  So again freedom of choice and compitition works.  Government mandates do not!

Strike! (CREATE) Letter

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I find it interesting that I am defending a leftist like Rahm Emanuel but here it comes. While I agree with Badger Democracy on the corruptive influences of corporate money I pointed to the fact that he ignored the corruptive influence of Unions. Yesterday he concentrated on a letter by CREATE (Chicagoland Researchers and Advocates for Transformative Education) .  The Marxist mindset amongst academia is well documented and I won’t go into detail here.

The big problem is that these academics don’t believe they should be judged by the product they produce. If you work in sales you are judged by the number of sales, if you work in a factory you are judged by a combination of output and quality etc etc etc. So to hold teachers accountable for the quality of education is not even a stretch for a normal thinking person. As pointed out yesterday as a whole these teachers have been a dismal failure.

(CNSNews.com) – Seventy-nine percent of the 8th graders in the Chicago Public Schools are not grade-level proficient in reading, according to the U.S. Department of Education, and 80 percent are not grade-level proficient in math.

If the teachers were held to the same grading scale A-F that students use to be held to they would all get an F.  Of course the arguments against holding these teachers accountable for the quality of their product is equally ludicrous.

When a teacher’s livelihood is directly impacted by his or her students’ scores on an end-of-year examination, test scores take front and center. The nurturing relationship between teacher and student changes for the worse.

Are they there to replace your mother or are they their to teach?  If by nurture do they mean indoctrinate as illustrated by the following two videos do we even want them to “nurture” our children?  The first video is a teachers union discussing how to interject Marxism into the classroom.

Another teacher discussing how to indoctrinate our children.

In a recent blog post Badger Democracy attempted to blame these actions on corporate influence but this letter shows that it was a direct result of Mandates from the Federal Government.  The Feds will not fund failing schools.

In January 2010, the Illinois State Legislature—in an effort to secure federal Race to the Top funds—approved an amendment to the Illinois School Code known as the Performance Evaluation Review Act (PERA), which requires districts to include “student growth” as a significant portion of teacher and principal evaluation. While most of the state does not have to implement a new evaluation plan for teachers until 2016, CPS was able to get written into the law an early implementation date of September 2012 for at least 300 schools.

So my arguments calling on returning to local control stands. But the arguments against holding teachers accountable do not.  As noted above the standards above do not go into effect for most of the state  2016 so the pilot program called for by (CREATE) would be satisfied in the city of Chicago.

1. Pilot and adjust the evaluation system before implementing it on a large scale.
Any annual evaluation system should be piloted and adjusted as necessary based on field feedback before being put in place citywide. In other words, Chicago should pilot models and then use measures of student learning to evaluate the model. Delaware spent years piloting and fine-tuning their system before putting it in place formally statewide. Conversely, Tennessee’s teacher-evaluation system made headlines when its hurried implementation led to unintended negative consequences.

Of course they don’t have any specific arguments against the proposal or whether or not it was based on either the Delaware or Tennessee evaluation system. If it is based on the Delaware system then there can be little arguments against since they already admit that it is time tested and tuned.  As CATO points out, they are just like the rest of us.

For the Democratic Party, the big problem is that for decades the teachers unions have insisted that they and their members as far more noble than almost anyone else. At least, more noble than anyone openly seeking a profit, which is most people. But the public is catching on: teachers and their unions are just as self-interested as most other people, and government-run schooling has enabled them to get some awfully nice, taxpayer-funded deals. 

I guess the real question is whether or not the role of teacher is to teach or nurture and indoctrinate.

Strike! Schools and Public Sector Unions

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Reciently I engaged Badger Democracy on his blog on his post involving talk radio. Since then it appears that my posts have been blocked as spam.  They just disappear instead of showing awaiting moderation. I emailed the owner of the blog and recieved a nice response so I may be wrong in my assesment on being blocked. but that is the way it appears.

I’ll reply to your “challenge” in due time. I disagree with Friedman’s self analyisis of the Chilean situation…more on that later. I am in Chicago, getting some inside dope on the CTU strike. Look for my post later this am – being a libertarian, you’ll be astounded by what Rahm (and Daley) have been doing with TIF money and corporate welfare in the Windy City.
 
Ripping on Dems today. What fun.
 
Thanks for the healthy debate and thoughtful insights.
 
So I checked on his lattest post on the teachers strike in Chicago.  The problem with the “progressive” mindset is the over emphisis on corporate influence while ignoring the influence of the unions themselves. In his blog post he says.
 

Both sides claim they want what’s best for the kids. Emanuel elevated the rhetoric by calling the strike a “choice” of the union, saying it is unnecessary. What is going unreported by Chicago media is that the mayor is correct – this is a strike of choice. The choice, however, was not one made by CTU, teachers, or parents. It was made at the highest levels of corporate power that now dominate the city of Chicago. Teachers, students, taxpayers, and parents are just pawns.

There is no doubt that corporate influence aka fascism is a problem in our counry. On only need look at the influence of “Big Pharma” and their connections with all the “nanny state” laws that are being passed or the back room deals that took place with “Obamacare”. This is where Badger is not looking at the big picture.  Even the champion of the progressive cause FDR opposed public sector unions.

Unions by their very nature are an advisarial process and they spend tons of money to influence who sits on the opposite side of the negotiating table.  Even the George Soros funded site opensecrets shows that 11 out of the top 20 political donations come from Unions with public sector Unions heavily represented

The problems with our schools is indeed both the influence of both corporate interest and union interest which created the top down model under which we live. Every mandate from the top has been a dismal failure including “no child left behind”.

Yes Badger outside influence is a problem when it comes to the public sector, just look at the scores of the students.

(CNSNews.com) – Seventy-nine percent of the 8th graders in the Chicago Public Schools are not grade-level proficient in reading, according to the U.S. Department of Education, and 80 percent are not grade-level proficient in math.

The real problem is the entire top down model.  Many progressives bash us Libertarians because we call for limited government not more regulation. Badger points to the fact that the school board is appointed by the Mayor.

The CPS School Board is appointed by the mayor, not elected by taxpayers and parents. In 2011, newly elected mayor Rahm Emanuel appointed seven people – only one with a public education background (Dr. Mahalia Hines). The board President (David Vitale) is in high finance, former President of the Chicago Board of Trade. The Vice President (Jesse Ruiz) is a corporate attorney who is an Exelon Board Member (this is important). There is another corporate attorney (Andrea Zopp), also an Exelon Board Member (again, important). The balance of the board is an economist/political scientist (Henry Bienen), real estate developer/multi-millionaire Penny Pritzker, and journalist/communications consultant Rodrigo Sierra.

Here I agree with Badger, school boards should be elected but he does not go far enough. If education were brought back under local control (with no mandates from either the federal or state) our schools would improve.  Our schools were at their best when they were under local control.  The schools and school boards were answerable to the people at the local level. Bad teachers were fired, bad school board members were voted out, all under the scrutiny of local PTA’s.  The more control taken by the State and Federal government the less control the people have over their childrens ecucation.

So while Badger’s comment on corporate influence is partially correct he does ignore the influence of the public sector unions.

The corporate dominant politics of Chicago have made it TIF (Tax Increment Financing project) central. Under Illinois state law, TIFs may only be used to prevent or remediate urban blight; or foster industrial development.  In Chicago, TIFs have become an addiction for developers and politicians looking to line their pocketbooks and garner influence. In the past decade, TIF districts have nearly doubled, from 87 in 2000 to 162 in 2010.

It is in fact the influence of both that has created the mandates at both the federal and state level.  To see the effects of this one does not even have to leave the state of Wisconsin.  Rather then putting emphisis on the quality of education Governer Doyle mandated the teaching collective bargaining.

Governor Jim Doyle made it official Thursday, Dec. 10: He signed into law AB 172, the Labor History in the Schools bill, culminating 12 years of efforts by key legislators, workers, unions and others to pass legislation to assure the teaching of labor history and collective bargaining. . . .
Once again Wisconsin leads the way in progressive labor legislation,” commented Steve Cupery, president of the Wisconsin Labor History Society.
“As far as we can tell, Wisconsin is the first state to have enacted such a law. We expect others will follow our example.”

So Badger, yes take all outside influence out of the educational process and put it back in the hands of the people.

Badger Democracy?

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Those who know me know that I am a Broadcast Engineer and a fan of Talk Radio.  As usual durring an election year there is a war on conservitive/libertarian talk radio. Earlier I reported how a leftist group calling themselves  Media Action Center were trying to backdoor the unconstitutional Fairness Doctrine by invoking its bastard child, the Zapple Doctrine. Now a blogger claims that Walker is controlling the media.

The reach of these media outlets through syndication is virtually statewide; and is a flagrant use of on-air broadcast as a full-time campaign mechanism for the Walker Administration – outside of the campaign.

He uses emails that he obtained to back up his claims.  The problem is that his emails are nothing but press releases and interview confirmations.  Not one contains directives dictating the content of the shows. He makes the following statement.

In a statement to Badger Democracy, Democratic Party spokesman Graeme Zielinski raised grave concern over this practice:

If it is not illegal it certainly is unethical for these broadcast corporations to be providing propaganda support in a scheme straight out of the Kremlin’s playbook. The employers at WTMJ and the other stations should explain how they are independent of the Walker administration and how their hours and hours of slavishly positive-and now, we see, coordinated-coverage fits within their own ethical guidelines and the rules and laws of Wisconsin and the United States.
The idea that the government can so directly control broadcasters who use public airwaves represents a major crisis for Wisconsin journalism.
As long as reporters and broadcast “journalists” are in collusion with conservative politicians like Walker, reporting political agenda as news, democracy is in serious trouble. Zielinski also points out that progressive talk show host John “Sly” Sylvester is never given “talking points,” and has, on many occasions, disagreed with Democratic Party officials and candidates.
The problem with these statements is that none of the talk shows mentioned bill themselves as journalists.  They all clearly state and advertise themselves as conservitive talk show hosts.  I am a follower of Vicki McKenna and can name numerous occasions where she has disagreed with the republican party and she has frequently mentioned that she is a Republican who leans Libertarian.  Being active in several Libertarian causes like the “smoking bans”, the selling of “raw milk” and the government shutdown of “RYO shops” I have contacted Vicki on numerous occasions and know for a fact that she has voiced contrary opinions.  Here is just one example.

Where it get’s interesting is his rant on a guy named Gus.

Gus | September 4, 2012 at 2:08 pm | Reply

This has been going on since, when? 1987, I believe when the FCC eliminated a regulation it had no business making in the first place. As far as I’m concerned, as long as these corporations/ parties are doing things that I agree with, I don’t really care.

  • You mean as long as they pass policies that benefit you…I’ve got mine, screw everyone else. That’s what our “society” has come to. Again, shame.

    • And shame on you for your own willingness to stomp on the constitution!

    • Thank you for admitting to your own hypocrisy. Government does indeed have a right to regulate and legislate “corporate greed.” Especially when you consider the economic and societal impact of that greed. What has caused the greatest economic downturns in US history…not government – unless you consider government’s willingness as an accomplice in allowing corporate greed to go unchecked and unregulated. The lack of corporate conscience throughout the history of this country makes your previous statement ridiculous – and you don’t even realize that is the case, or that the Founders of this nation are turning in their graves at the power corporations have over our democracy. How sad for all of us…

  • And Zelinski’s “Kremlin” comment is laughable since the Democrat Party is getting a lot closer to the Kremlin with each passing election cycle.

  • What is “mine”? I am not worried about corporate greed. That is something which individuals in corporations have to address in their own consciences, and which government has no right to try and legislate. I am more worried about GOVERNMENT greed.

That’s where I jumped in. with one of my favorite Milton Friedman videos.

@ Badger, Corporate greed? Your kidding right? Perhaps you could learn a lesson or two from Milton Friedman.

I worry more about “crony capitalism” aka fascism then greed. You should view left wing talk show hosts with the same scrutiny that you apply to conservative.
http://veritasvincitprolibertate.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/fascism-comes-to-amerika/

  • There is too much here to discuss in a comment response. If you are hanging your economic hat on Friedman, I’m sorry. He and his followers have been wrong in so many ways about his so-called “free market” theories. Friedman’s theories put into practice are directly responsible for worldwide dissolution and collapse of middle class working economies. The only reason his economics are still practiced is revisionist history and those in power profiting greatly from the outcome. Greed as the driving force – you are missing the point. Friedman has always misrepresented the work of Adam Smith – ignoring the moral imperative in his work. “Superior prudence,” Smith said, “is the best head joined to the best heart.” But over the years, economics instructors have edited out Smith’s “moral sentiments” — leaving only the impression that the “invisible hand” of free markets can magically convert individual greed into mutual benefit. Much ignored today is the fact that Smith was pro regulation – The purpose of banking regulations was to oblige “all of them to be more circumspect in their conduct, and by not extending their currency beyond its due proportion to their cash, to guard themselves against the ruinous runs, which the rivalship of so many competitors is always ready to bring upon them” (Wealth of Nations). As for your definition of fascism – to imply that progressive policies in any way reflect fascism is laughable. And by the way…the founders NEVER intended pure laissez faire capitalism. Our current state of corporate capitalist-dominated politics was one of their worst nightmares.

    As I said – this is just too much for a mere comment reply…but thanks, and you better take a heavy dose of Krugman – he has been right about this economy since 2008…

    • Sorry Badger you said “And by the way…the founders NEVER intended pure laissez faire capitalism. Our current state of corporate capitalist-dominated politics was one of their worst nightmares.”

      Of course you are completely wrong. The corporate capitalist system that we live in is fascism and could not exist under pure laissez faire capitalism. There would be no bail outs, no special tax incentives and no job killing regulations.
      http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0603d.asp

Of course if he actually watched the Milton Friedman video he wouldn’t have made such a foolish statement.  Only under capitalism has there been a strong middle class. Neither he nor his hero “Paul Krugman” can show any form other than capitalism where the middle class flourished. Then he really goes of the deep end accusing others of revisionist history. In response to another poster he sends people to another of his blog posts. 

risaO | September 4, 2012 at 8:24 pm | Reply

Can you give me some current news please? Got any? This is from over a year ago. Get your lawyers out and start suing everyone over this. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

Do you have people still researching for mud and clinging to the past? What are you hoping to accomplish? Another recall? A shutdown of the radio stations? Is this what this party is all about? Where’s your forward thinking, your intelligence? All I hear is crying. What is your platform for the future of the Badger State, besides snipping and fighting?

So I followed the link and found a bit of revisionist history myself.   He took a quote from Ben Franklin out of context and made him sound like a modern socialist.

In a letter to Robert Morris in 1783, Benjamin Franklin wrote of economic justice and fairness:

“All the property that is necessary to a man, for the conservation and the propagation of the species, is his natural right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Public, who, by their laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the welfare of the public shall demand such disposition. He that does not like civil society on these terms, let him live among the savages – he can have no right to the benefits of society.”

Marshall Keith | September 5, 2012 at 7:47 am | Reply

Of course you take Franklin’s quote out of context. He was not talking about economic justice. He was talking about people not paying their fair share of taxes. The entire letter can be seen in “The diplomatic correspondence of the United States of America” starting on page 375.
http://books.google.com/books/download/The_diplomatic_correspondence_of_the_Uni.pdf?id=VmMUAAAAYAAJ&output=pdf&sig=ACfU3U0stFj4oQlMVHaYf8FzjVYooyjctw

Mr Franklin would hardly approve of the modern welfare state in either the individual or the corporate level. Here is another of his quotes that illustrate that fact,

“I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” –Relating to prices and the poor, 1766

Now back to the original post. To risaO I responded.

Marshall Keith | September 5, 2012 at 8:50 am | Reply

You’ve hit it on the head. Nothing here but press releases and interview confirmations with enough spin to make it appear otherwise. While other progressives try to backdoor the FCC into resurrecting the “fairness doctrine” through it’s bastard child, “the Zapple doctrine”
https://peoplesrepubmadison.wordpress.com/2012/05/24/zapple-doctrine/

  • …the cascading criticism from the libertarian, free market thinkers. Pure laissez faire capitalism is a pie in the sky fantasy; which has nice philosophical overtones – but no basis as a valid economic theory. Followers of Friedman fail to acknowledge the role his economics have in crashing national economies and destroying the middle class in nations worldwide in the 70′s – when his “laboratories” of free market economics were put into practice. Your criticism of the Franklin quote is interesting – you don’t consider “people not paying their fair share of taxes” to be an issue of economic justice? That is one of the basic tenets of economic justice.

    The economic followers of which you speak have been data sifting, propagandizing, and re-writing history for decades, even abusing the “invisible hand” that Adam Smith wrote of in the earliest days of the republic. You need to get out of that box – economic theories and systems do not operate in social, moral, or fiscal equilibrium. Krugman, Marshall. Read Paul Krugman.

  • Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    We have never had pure laissez faire capitalism. As a matter of fact it was in 1971 that Nixon put the final nail in the gold and silver standard declaring , “I am now a Keynesian in economics” So your criticism of laissez faire is unfounded. Crony Capitalism has existed almost since the founding of our country.

    On your comment:
    Your criticism of the Franklin quote is interesting – you don’t consider “people not paying their fair share of taxes” to be an issue of economic justice? That is one of the basic tenets of economic justice.

    Fair share would be everyone paying the same percentage, if everyone paid the same percentage the people would demand the government quit spending money. But when the government promises to give money to one group at the expense of another, that is not fair share, PERIOD.

    I notice that you said nothing on Franklin’s opinion of the modern welfare state (which is another false tenets of economic justice.) Again here it is.

    “I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” -Relating to prices and the poor, 1766

    Here is more Milton Friedman.

  • Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    BTW Badger, I read Paul Krugman’s “The Return of Depression Economics and the Crisis of 2008″ he put heavy emphasis on lack of regulation while Austrian economists predicted the crash.

As you can see, my last two comments have been awaiting moderation for two days. Of course progressivism never could withstand the scrutiny of logic and reason. it only works if you remain emotional and irrational.

Updated September 10,2012

Today Badger Democracy posted the following.

Badger Democracy | September 10, 2012 at 8:27 am | Reply

While your “Keynesian v. Austrian” video is intriguing…your characterization of Krugman’s 2008 book is misleading. Krugman knew that deregulation of banks and Wall Street was a precursor to another depression – he was right. Yes, Bernanke and many other economists (not all Keynesian) missed the impending housing bubble (a result of the aforementioned deregulating) – again Krugman acknowledged this, and points out in 2010 that the Fed didn’t learn anything from its mistakes in evaluating the situation: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/06/bernanke-and-the-bubble/ …oh yes, and in 2006, Krugman lamented the increasing housing bubble being ignored by Greenspan:

“Some say the worst is already over. Mr. Greenspan, who’s been an optimist all the way, now argues that the latest data on new-home sales and mortgage applications suggest that housing has already bottomed out. Business investment is still growing briskly, and so far consumers haven’t cut their spending. So maybe this is as bad as it gets.

But I think the pessimists have a stronger case. There’s a lot of evidence that home prices, although they’ve started to decline, are still way out of line. Spending on home construction remains abnormally high as a percentage of G.D.P., because banks are still lending freely in spite of rapidly rising foreclosure rates.

This means that home sales probably still have a long way to fall. And you don’t want to make too much of the fact that some housing indicators have turned up; those indicators tend to bounce around a lot from month to month.

Moreover, much of the good news in the latest economic report is unsustainable at best, suspect at worst. Almost half of last quarter’s estimated growth was the result of a reported surge in automobile output, which some observers think was a statistical illusion, not something that really happened.

So this is probably just the beginning. How bad can it get? Well, you don’t have to go far to find grim forecasts: Merrill Lynch predicts that the unemployment rate will rise from 4.6 percent now to 5.8 percent by the end of next year.”

Not saying Krugman is infallible…just pointing out that your continued allegiance to the theories of Milton Friedman is a bit misguided. On a macroeconomic scale, his theories have been a failure. They work well if you are part of the corporate elite/ownership class…but have always resulted in high unemployment, depressed earnings, and increased income inequity. Argentina, Chile in the 70′s? The Friedman “lab schools” in South America? It took those countries generations to recover – and in many ways they still are. The immorality and inequity that led to this current depression is why Friedman doesn’t work – left to their own self governance in the “free market” – corporations and the wealthy elite will destroy each other (and the economy) with their own greed. That has been proven time and time again.

As for your Franklin quote – it is not “fair” in your words to tax someone in poverty at the same RATE as one who is in the top 1%. 10% for someone in poverty is a significant burden – for someone who is a multi-millionaire, it is, quite literally, the very least they ought to do. Even Jefferson was wrong on some issues – particularly slavery. The Founders were not infallible. As the Constitution allowed for – the nation evolves. They set in motion a system of governance that has been turned on its head by many of the followers of Friedman and the “Chicago School;” who themselves profit in power and wealth from those policies.

You are quite welcome to your “every individual for themselves” philosophy. A society doesn’t function that way. Maybe in Vicky McKenna’s mind it does…but not in reality.

We are done here – in some manner, I would enjoy letting you have everything you want politically and economically so you can see the consequences. Say hi to Vicky for me.

I agree with Paul Krugman in part. He said Many bubble deniers point to average prices for the country as a whole, which look worrisome but not totally crazy. When it comes to housing, however, the United States is really two countries, Flatland and the Zoned Zone.” Of course he does not go into detail how “progressive” government control and regulation created the “Zoned Zone”  Dr Thomas Sowell goes into great detail discussing the facts.

The the news backs up the statements made by Dr Sowell.

Now on to your comment.

Not saying Krugman is infallible…just pointing out that your continued allegiance to the theories of Milton Friedman is a bit misguided. On a macroeconomic scale, his theories have been a failure. They work well if you are part of the corporate elite/ownership class…but have always resulted in high unemployment, depressed earnings, and increased income inequity. Argentina, Chile in the 70′s? The Friedman “lab schools” in South America?

For starters neither countries have been free countries, they have either been dictatorships or military Oligarchy. But as Friedman frequently stated that it is free markets increase the lot in life of the common man and the facts bare that out.

CHILE’S ECONOMY ENJOYED a remarkable boom in the early 1990s, the result of a comprehensive transformation that began in 1974 with the adoption of free-market economic policies. Between the 1930s and the early 1970s, the Chilean economy was one of the most stateoriented economies in Latin America. For decades, it was dominated by the philosophy of import-substitution industrialization. Heavily subsidized by the government, a largely inefficient industrial sector had developed. The sector’s main characteristics were a low rate of job creation, a virtual absence of nontraditional exports, and a general lack of growth and development. In the early 1970s, the ruling socialist-communist Popular Unity (Unidad Popular–UP) coalition of President Salvador Allende Gossens (1970-73) attempted to implement a socialist economic system. The Allende experiment came to an end with the military coup of September 11, 1973. From that point on, Chile’s economic policies took a radical turn, as the military government undertook, first timidly and later more confidently, deep reforms aimed at creating a market economy.

In the early 1990s, politicians and analysts from around the world looked to the Chilean economy for lessons on how to open up international trade, create dynamic capital markets, and undertake an aggressive privatization process. In early 1994, Chile had the strongest economic structure in Latin America and, in large part because of the military government’s reforms, was emerging as a modern economy enjoying vigorous growth.

On to your comment.

As for your Franklin quote – it is not “fair” in your words to tax someone in poverty at the same RATE as one who is in the top 1%. 10% for someone in poverty is a significant burden – for someone who is a multi-millionaire, it is, quite literally, the very least they ought to do.

For starters the constitution calls for “equal protection” not your mythological “economic justice” See the 14th amendment. One thing I agree with Obama is that, “Everybody is going to have to give. Everybody is going to have to have some skin in the game,” Mr. Obama said during the interview, taped Saturday in Washington.

Economic and equal protection would call for everyone to pay the same percentage. By having everyone with equal skin in the game they have equal incentive to hold the government accoutable.  The way things stand almost 50% pay nothing at all while “progressives” such as yourself call for even more taxes on the 1% ignoring the fact that that 1% already pays more then the lower 95% combined and you call that justice?

An analysis of IRS data by the Tax Foundation shows that the top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 40.4 percent of the total income taxes collected by the federal government, the highest percentage in modern history. While the bottom 95 percent paid 39.4 percent of the income tax burden.

And like I said almost 50% of taxpayers pay nothing!

Tax Day is a dreaded deadline for millions, but for nearly half of U.S. households it’s simply somebody else’s problem.

About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009. Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability. That’s according to projections by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington research organization.

I suggest you listen to  Judge Andrew Napolitanoon the constitution, natural law and libido dominandi.

 So Badger Democracy I give your the same challange that Milton Friedman gave Donahue. Please show any government that increased the lot of the poor as did a free society and free markets!

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